Fur Affinity expands rules against "youthful appearing" characters in adult works to Pokemon and Digimon characters

Yeah, this is such a stupid rule that accomplishes nothing and further fragments furry artists. This is the same as conservative grannies wringing their hands over violent video games. It also actually lines up with an idea I was thinking of writing. I just need to get my act together and write.

I would note that this story is ongoing as new information is being announced periodically, as I suspect it will be true up until the July 1st deadline.

On the 19th journal of the rule update, they indicated that "NO, there is no list of species that we will always take action on."

While in the update today, they had decided to list examples:

5. What Pokémon and Digimon cannot be in sexual content without being aged up?

While we cannot present an exhaustive list of thousands of characters, common canonical inclusions would be “baby Pokémon” such as Pichu, Mime Jr., Riolu, and Smoochum, other Pokémon such as Cubchoo, Cubone, Torchic, Ralts, Eevee, and Gothita, and Digmon such as Agumon, Impmon, Gatomon, and Veemon as these characters have childlike proportions or look like adolescent humans or animals.

So, it wouldn't do me much good to include details about the rules other than the general premise here as the situation is still quite fluid.

I'm going to be honest with you guys, my Twitter For You tab (yes, I use it) was furries complaining about FurAffinity re-re-banning cub porn, and also Cassidy trying to get the guy she thinks got her un-GOH-ed cancelled for being into cub porn. So, I guess we're still not clear on where we feel about this issue, as a group, I see. However, of course, even if you are straight up just for banning cub porn, we can all agree, FurAffinity, true to form, managed to ban cub porn badly.

This is so stupid! what are Chibi artist's gonna do? move to inkbunny with all the pedos and their cub??? f.ck that!

A significant number of artists and fans appear to be showing a renewed interest in Inkbunny, with many requesting account restoration (IB reserves usernames after account closure). Daily active logged-in members are up ~2,000 (to ~33,000), while three-day uploads have doubled.

Here's this week's web server requests and CPU activity graphs. Note the dark red/orange indicating idle-priority upload processing, while blue reflects mostly viewer activity on the database and web server. Requests are for the main server (page views and scripts) and do not include most image files, served via IB's cache network.

My stance on cub.

So the reason i am writing this is to discuss my views on the topic in a rational and intelligent manner, its a topic of heavy debate especially on twitter following the recent events on Furaffinity, with them banning cub and more recently anything resembling and underage or remotely looking like under age, this going for things like Chibi art as well. I personally strongly disagree with Furrafinity’s choices regarding this as it limits artists ability to have freedom of expression. Now I am not saying I condone or condemn cub pornography. Honestly i see it as an acquired taste that, thought not for everyone, and if you don’t like it thats on you. But if you don’t personally like something, you should just not look at it. Just click off it, its not that hard. But anyway here are my honest thoughts after months of self-reflection, study and debate.

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So when it comes to cub, Nsfw or otherwise, I firmly belief that it is up to both the artist and the viewer of said art to come to their own moral conclusions regarding the content. Well Cub porn may be seen as pedophiliac, one could use the same argument when it comes to feral art or furry porn in general being zoophilic. The bottom line is, as long as it in legal in the country of which it is viewed, does not portray any human children or child pornography. And as long as the viewer does engage in any legitimate pedophiliac acts against minors online or in the real world then it is not wrong. Morally questionable, but not illegal or wrong.

In contrast, some people decide to just label any form of artwork featuring underaged characters in sexual situations as "pedophilia". They typically don't know that there's a difference between fantasy and reality, or might know that there's a difference but not care. real life children and photos of children in sexual situations is legally pedophilia. Drawings or otherwise clearly fantasy depictions are not.

Canadian law is clear that any art or photographs containing depictions of human ‘persons’ is illegal and falls under indecency laws. However the law does not prohibit Cub art since an animal is not considered a person.

Anyone who considers Cub to be any worse then any other form of art depicting non-human characters is hypocritical.

As for the subject matter of the cub porn, CubXCub CubXAdult CubXFeral it should should once again be left up to the consumer rather over if they are comfortable viewing it or not.

Correlation is not causation, just because a person views something does not me they will become it.

Take the satanic panic of the 60’s 70’s and 80’s. just because someone sees satanism in the media or witchcraft does not mean they are going to become a witch or devil worshiper. The same goes for a person who watches gorey movies or play violent video games. Just because they consume it or fetishize it does not mean they are destined to become murderers.

Now as for those who do have these feelings i feel like Cub can be seen as an outlet for somebody who has pedophiliac tendency’s to engage in them in a way that is not harmful to them or others. I personally would rather have someone get off to images of Furry underaged animals then have them out in the world actually harming minors. So if anyone has these thoughts or feelings i would first recommend seeing a doctor but at the same time actually encourage the idea of using cub as an outlet, even if it is based out of characters that ‘almost’ look human but still have animal features.

In a study on Reddit that involved over 500 voters it was seen that Cub was considered pedophiliac, which means the vast majority of the public seems to see Cub as wrong. But these statistics have to been seen as flawed do to the fact that some of the people who voted may not have even been furries. Therefore the opinion of the fandom itself is more important then that of the anti-fur Discord mod trolling on reddit well taking a break from his Minecraft server.

Sadly i was not able to find an official poll on what the fandom as a whole thought of cub porn in itself. And it is near impossible to find any solid consensus after looking through the thousands upon thousands of pages of people gaslighting each other on twitter. But in the end i would say that the majority seems to be against it well a much smaller precent supports it or is undecided.

So in reality what are we talking about here? Are we talking about law? Are we talking about morality? Or are we talking about preferences of the viewers. I think its partly all of the above. But the begging question here is, does a tolerance of cub art equal a tolerance of pedophilia in the fandom? No it doesn’t. It is extremely clear that both pedophilia and zoophilia will never ever be tolerated in the furry fandom. The people who commit these crimes against nature have absolutely zero place in the furry community. I personally feel the community should take drastic steps to get these people the help they need instead of just chasing them out of the fandom, and Perhaps getting the law involved if needs be rather then just spreading it all over the internet. Honestly i’m guilty of this foolish behaviour myself. Because in reality what does chasing out or “Canceling” someone really solve??? All that happens is they run out of the community, lay low for some time and then try to make a come back, this can be seen in Kero the wolf’s case. With the furry fandom in being the strong community that we are, we need to take a firm stand and let these people know they are NOT welcome here. But at the same time encouraging they seek medical help or getting the law involved if needed. The furry fandom is not about cancel culture or outing others, it is about self-expression and freedom. It is about finding unity in a shared interest. Putting politics aside and just living in the moment. Being who you wanna be and having the freedom to express that. But at the same time the fandom is not and never will be a safe place for pedo’s or zoo’s.

But when it comes to cub porn or feral porn or any other kind, leave people alone! Don’t kink shame people for having a fetish or something that they like. Don’t be worried about your reputation when it comes to being with people who like something, even if you don’t agree with it. Instead if you truly like that person, then you will be able to look passed their fetishes and accept them for who they are, and not what they like. Instead stand by them, help them when others are pushing them down. Having these kinks does not make a person any less human. Deep down we are all people with thoughts and feelings and emotions. And if we are truly dedicated to solving the problems of pedophilia and zoophilia in this community, then we must go for the roots of the problem, and not the things that correlate to it.

I honestly could write a book on my thoughts on this matter but its something that i just needed to write, in one big long testament rather then in the other poorly constructed attempts i’ve posted regarding this matter. I hope you all understand where I’m coming from in this matter and have actually taken the time to read my article instead of just flipping through it and blocking me. I have likes, i have interests and even fetishes. And it is better off if i never go public about them. Why? Because its my private business which nobody needs to know about. Again i am not condemning nor condoning. I’m just giving my view. I really hope this has enlightened you all. And i hope that within regards to FA and there new rules that they seriously consider giving these things a second thought.

—Banjo

Sorry my text thing fucked up, won’t let me take post down to edit it X3

Cutting through the bullshit this is, of course, just more of the gang running FA trying to thin the community of everything that doesn't involve their own particular extreme fetishes - many of which are quite gross by the standards of most people. They have always seen the website as a tool for building a cult of personality around themselves - they're probably just feeling lonely again as the subculture moves on and leaves them behind. This is a device with which to re-exert their feeling of control.

"other Pokémon such as Cubchoo, Cubone, Torchic, Ralts, Eevee, and Gothita, and Digmon such as Agumon, Impmon, Gatomon, and Veemon as these characters have childlike proportions or look like adolescent humans or animals."

Are you kidding me? While I don't know about all of these characters, Cubone and Eevee are not cubs nor do they look like child-like proportions. If I recall right, worry is reasonable if it actually looked like actual humanoid children, but for a fictional four-legged creature like those, it's usually no longer simulating humanoid proportions thus no longer having the issue. I got the feeling that whoever was in charged of this made this out of personal perversion rather than in worry that some people could legally get in trouble and seeing they are including non-cub Pokemon that don't look like humanoid children shows a lot of this. Seriously, what exactly is the point of having the rules do this?

What's next, banning adult characters for differently matured Disney characters just because Earth years are technically below 18?

The big problem comes from enforcement. The rules didn't really change all that much (they did, but that's another matter...) its the enforcement that is the real problem. When people brought up these concerns, they were labelled as death threats and harassment - people were summarily blocked and no further discussion was allowed. Concerns got you labelled as a 'pedophile' and exiled. Classy.

I just hope and pray that all these new users from FA moving over to IB...

Don't start bringing their CRUMMY ATTITUDES with them....

Fiction Is Fiction.

Go back to Twitter if you can't handle that....

So I hear that FurAffinity has now decided to ban ALL "abdl" or "babyfur" content, regardless of whether or not that content is sexualized or non-sexualized???? Fascinating! F.A. really just seems to keep tipping the scales as to what art is considered "okay to post" and what art is considered "problematic."

HAHAHAHAHAHAH.... Neil Gaiman was right.

IF YOU DON'T FIGHT FOR THE STUFF YOU DON'T LIKE JUST AS EASILY AS YOU FIGHT FOR THE STUFF YOU DO LIKE, BY THE TIME THEY START COMING AFTER THE STUFF YOU DO LIKE, IT WILL ALREADY BE TOO LATE.....