"when you do the expected thing it doesn't draw attention I suppose"
Exactly. It's not News, it's Olds. The expected outcome is not news or newsworthy, and you shouldn't try to break it down on demographics like that.
"they are desperate for attention, perhaps?"
Attention, or the powerless seeking power over something to help compensate for the lack of ability to act on their own lives, or because they think it's funny - but as I've said before, ironically doing something bad doesn't change that you did something bad. Either way, when stuff like this comes up, we really should all get up and say "No. This isn't tolerated. Behave or be kicked out."
I'm an thin skinned hot tempered easily baited individual who is a terrible face for the sort of change I want to see in the world, and it shows in the language I use. But ultimately, all I want is that condemnation - and I get frustrated when people try to equivocate or minimize these behaviors and the dangerous ideologies that these bad actors are espousing, especially when those ideologies specifically call out my family for death. That kind of makes it personal.
'But Summer', some might say, 'if they seek attention, then even giving them negative attention is rewarding them, shouldn't we just ignore them and they'll go away?' The answer to that is no; these types of folk will continue to act out until they get what they want or get a correction from an outside source. If saying slurs gets no reaction, they'll try something else. At best, they would switch targets, but I don't really consider that to be a best.
As it turns out, sunlight isn't the best disinfectant - not alone, at least. Exposing this sort of fungus to open air only helps get rid of it when combined with actually addressing and confronting the fungus. In addition, great care has to be done to not allow the spores to spread it further as this particular fungus works in subtle ways, appealing to those facing adversity, allowing them to hold some specific group or individuals at cause for their problems.
I think ignoring this sort of thing is the second worst move than could be made. The worst would be opening it up and exposing it - and not following through with the condemnation.
And in specific: We're talking about a collection of Furry Fandom members who have at least helped kill RMFC, who organized swatting and fake reports to Califur that cost the con $24,000, whose chats feature pro-Nazi, pro-Fascist, Xenophobic, and Anti-Semitic discussions without much in the way of opposition to the ideals. Dogpatch's recent article covers some of this - check the section "Work begins for sorting info".
These behaviors are what I feel get defended as a "difference of opinion", or deflected with "what about this other group". I have a difference of opinion with lots of people - yet I don't seek to silence them, only those who think that I should be silenced, threaten to silence me, and has a history of doing just that. Rather permanently.
"when you do the expected thing it doesn't draw attention I suppose"
Exactly. It's not News, it's Olds. The expected outcome is not news or newsworthy, and you shouldn't try to break it down on demographics like that.
"they are desperate for attention, perhaps?"
Attention, or the powerless seeking power over something to help compensate for the lack of ability to act on their own lives, or because they think it's funny - but as I've said before, ironically doing something bad doesn't change that you did something bad. Either way, when stuff like this comes up, we really should all get up and say "No. This isn't tolerated. Behave or be kicked out."
I'm an thin skinned hot tempered easily baited individual who is a terrible face for the sort of change I want to see in the world, and it shows in the language I use. But ultimately, all I want is that condemnation - and I get frustrated when people try to equivocate or minimize these behaviors and the dangerous ideologies that these bad actors are espousing, especially when those ideologies specifically call out my family for death. That kind of makes it personal.
'But Summer', some might say, 'if they seek attention, then even giving them negative attention is rewarding them, shouldn't we just ignore them and they'll go away?' The answer to that is no; these types of folk will continue to act out until they get what they want or get a correction from an outside source. If saying slurs gets no reaction, they'll try something else. At best, they would switch targets, but I don't really consider that to be a best.
As it turns out, sunlight isn't the best disinfectant - not alone, at least. Exposing this sort of fungus to open air only helps get rid of it when combined with actually addressing and confronting the fungus. In addition, great care has to be done to not allow the spores to spread it further as this particular fungus works in subtle ways, appealing to those facing adversity, allowing them to hold some specific group or individuals at cause for their problems.
I think ignoring this sort of thing is the second worst move than could be made. The worst would be opening it up and exposing it - and not following through with the condemnation.
And in specific: We're talking about a collection of Furry Fandom members who have at least helped kill RMFC, who organized swatting and fake reports to Califur that cost the con $24,000, whose chats feature pro-Nazi, pro-Fascist, Xenophobic, and Anti-Semitic discussions without much in the way of opposition to the ideals. Dogpatch's recent article covers some of this - check the section "Work begins for sorting info".
These behaviors are what I feel get defended as a "difference of opinion", or deflected with "what about this other group". I have a difference of opinion with lots of people - yet I don't seek to silence them, only those who think that I should be silenced, threaten to silence me, and has a history of doing just that. Rather permanently.