DOS was a flawed system; a push bar on a pull door is a flawed system; that one bathroom you describe is a flawed system.
The normal public bathroom layout, with urinals and stalls in a normal position; NOT a flawed system. I'm a big fan, actually. This case, yes, the users are flawed. The inability of the users to use this system correctly is NOT a design flaw; it's a sign of immaturity.
For fuck's sake, if there's three urinals and the one on the far right is occupied you take the far left, sure, that's manners, but if only the middle is open, you take the middle because you gotta pee, and only fucking losers use the stalls when there's a urinal open. Yeah, maybe the guy on the far left is gonna check you out, and sure that's creepy, but, really who cares? He's a creepy guy, but that's HIS problem, not yours (if he starts complimenting your dick or, worse, criticizing it or whatever, yeah, I guess you're entitled to a freakout, but that doesn't happen very often). Heck, there's a chance the guy on the right is so worried YOU'RE going to check his dick out that he never even thinks about YOUR dick. But most likely of all is that everybody just pees and that's it, because, seriously, who fucking checks out dicks at a urinal?
Yes, if a woman walks into a restroom that happens to be unisex and there is a man in doing his thing, there's a chance she's going to get sexually appraised. But how is that any FUCKING different than any other room? Yeah, it would be nice if guys didn't appraise women and women didn't appraise men and gay guys didn't appraise other guys and gay women didn't appraise other women and balloon fetishists didn't appraise balloons and, yeah, that sucks, and it would be nice if nobody ever silently (or even not silently) judged anyone else, but a world where that never happens is a magical fantasy world that makes My Little Pony look like Warhammer 40K. You know what it's like? It's like having to pee. Nobody enjoys it, but pee happens.
And when it happens, you gotta man up and use a urinal.
Because nobody wants to be the loser who fucking uses a stall to pee; everybody can hear you, dude.
FUN FACT: 90% of my half of this debate were written on a toilet.
DOS was a flawed system; a push bar on a pull door is a flawed system; that one bathroom you describe is a flawed system.
The normal public bathroom layout, with urinals and stalls in a normal position; NOT a flawed system. I'm a big fan, actually. This case, yes, the users are flawed. The inability of the users to use this system correctly is NOT a design flaw; it's a sign of immaturity.
For fuck's sake, if there's three urinals and the one on the far right is occupied you take the far left, sure, that's manners, but if only the middle is open, you take the middle because you gotta pee, and only fucking losers use the stalls when there's a urinal open. Yeah, maybe the guy on the far left is gonna check you out, and sure that's creepy, but, really who cares? He's a creepy guy, but that's HIS problem, not yours (if he starts complimenting your dick or, worse, criticizing it or whatever, yeah, I guess you're entitled to a freakout, but that doesn't happen very often). Heck, there's a chance the guy on the right is so worried YOU'RE going to check his dick out that he never even thinks about YOUR dick. But most likely of all is that everybody just pees and that's it, because, seriously, who fucking checks out dicks at a urinal?
Yes, if a woman walks into a restroom that happens to be unisex and there is a man in doing his thing, there's a chance she's going to get sexually appraised. But how is that any FUCKING different than any other room? Yeah, it would be nice if guys didn't appraise women and women didn't appraise men and gay guys didn't appraise other guys and gay women didn't appraise other women and balloon fetishists didn't appraise balloons and, yeah, that sucks, and it would be nice if nobody ever silently (or even not silently) judged anyone else, but a world where that never happens is a magical fantasy world that makes My Little Pony look like Warhammer 40K. You know what it's like? It's like having to pee. Nobody enjoys it, but pee happens.
And when it happens, you gotta man up and use a urinal.
Because nobody wants to be the loser who fucking uses a stall to pee; everybody can hear you, dude.
FUN FACT: 90% of my half of this debate were written on a toilet.