We've met on various occasions. Granted, that was when ConFurence was still a going thing, so it's been a great many years. You would probably best recall me, in personal terms, as a friend of Metalhead's who helped keep him alive when he was homeless in Arizona, and who worked with Roofus to get him out to friends better able to support him in California. I've been to the Skiltaire as a guest when you had no problems with Lia Graf being there and Jazmyn kept loads of rats.
Another instance was with you, Jazmyn and Roofus, at ConFurence 4. When I admitted to and apologized to the lot of you for being the "Mad Bomber", you and Jazmyn scowled (understandably) --- and Roofus broke up howling with laughter because the incident had resulted in the Red Lion's quite homophobic Chief of Security being fired. According to Roofus, this was because when a police officer asked why the Chief had overreacted to what was obviously a prop, he said "well, we gotta get these faggots out've the hotel".
Yeah. I was the guy in the armored unicorn outfit. For the record, Scott Ruggles ultimately bought the armor from me.
> Who exactly told me that "ConFurence was out of control"?
At nearly every after-convention public meeting starting around CF4, the issue was raised. You were sent emails. You were called on the phone. Letters were sent. There is no means of communication which was available at the time which was not used, and when you ignored them all, people began airing their dirty laundry on Alt.Fan.Furry.
> The only "oft quoted" item about ConFurence being "out of control" was a letter posted on Alt-Fan-Furry by a Ed Kline who was rather homophobic
Actually he was bisexual --- same as you. Which he points out in the letter you're referencing. Most everyone who knew him at the time would be highly offended that you would try to pull the "Homophobia Card" on Ed.
> Everything else in the letter was pure BS and easily debunked. For example, the "stains in the elevator" were from wet bathing suits
Actually, the details were corroborated by others, including Scott Ruggels and myself. The stains in the elevator were slimy, adhering to a person who unknowingly leaned against them.
As to Ed's report of the guy dancing in the hotel lobby in nothing but a Dixie cup, I saw that myself. You dishonor yourself by calling Ed a liar on the matter.
> "Behavioral Restrictions" don't prevent anyone from doing anything.
And laws don't prevent anyone from committing crimes. Yet, both laws and behavioral restrictions provide deterrence, as well as cause for ejection of persons from the event.
> Yes, we set out collections of furry art at our tables, some was mature in nature. You could find mature art all over Comic Con in those days.
These being the same ComiCons I also attended? No, Sy, you couldn't find anything at ComiCon which came close to the "maturity" of what was in the collections you provided...not outside of a plain brown wrapper.
Oh, one could easily find T&A pics of the X-Mens' Storm, or cheesecake shots of Ms. Marvel, and indeed that was a lot of what passed for industry art standards of the time (and does today as well). But to compare that with, say, a black anthro stallion lying on his back in the snow while jacking off?
Um, no. Talk about sugar-coating your reality.
> I know for a fact about the non-writer policy of Rowerbrazzle... I was a member. When Fred Patten took over as editor, many members were not happy with his editorial and review articles, and it took a long time before other writers were welcome (mainly due to Fred kicking down the door).
I was also a member. Oh, not at the same time as you. But Fred took over the job rather early in Rowrbrazzle's run. And I've seen issues going well back into its history, owned by people who WERE your contemporaries --- Mike-Scot McMurry, for example --- where authors were turning out almost literally reams of material.
While various members did not like having writers in 'Brazzle, and were vocal about it, that hardly amounts to an actual "artists only" policy, which is the article's claim.
> You obviously have a very personal dislike of mature-themed media
I draw fetish porn, you twit. Which I wouldn't even mention, since it isn't necessary to the conversation, EXCEPT that you just pulled the "Prude Card" on ME. Didn't you talk about doing research in another post?
> As to communication regarding ConFurence... Myself and my partner Rodney never received any mail or e-mail or telephone calls (even though our contact information was readily available) about the convention being "out of control".
Except, of course, that you just got done attacking Ed Kline as being "homophobic" for sending you exactly such a complaint.
> claiming it's "history" does not make it so.
To the contrary; ignoring history doesn't make it go away.
> I'm not sure who you are
We've met on various occasions. Granted, that was when ConFurence was still a going thing, so it's been a great many years. You would probably best recall me, in personal terms, as a friend of Metalhead's who helped keep him alive when he was homeless in Arizona, and who worked with Roofus to get him out to friends better able to support him in California. I've been to the Skiltaire as a guest when you had no problems with Lia Graf being there and Jazmyn kept loads of rats.
Another instance was with you, Jazmyn and Roofus, at ConFurence 4. When I admitted to and apologized to the lot of you for being the "Mad Bomber", you and Jazmyn scowled (understandably) --- and Roofus broke up howling with laughter because the incident had resulted in the Red Lion's quite homophobic Chief of Security being fired. According to Roofus, this was because when a police officer asked why the Chief had overreacted to what was obviously a prop, he said "well, we gotta get these faggots out've the hotel".
Yeah. I was the guy in the armored unicorn outfit. For the record, Scott Ruggles ultimately bought the armor from me.
> Who exactly told me that "ConFurence was out of control"?
At nearly every after-convention public meeting starting around CF4, the issue was raised. You were sent emails. You were called on the phone. Letters were sent. There is no means of communication which was available at the time which was not used, and when you ignored them all, people began airing their dirty laundry on Alt.Fan.Furry.
> The only "oft quoted" item about ConFurence being "out of control" was a letter posted on Alt-Fan-Furry by a Ed Kline who was rather homophobic
Actually he was bisexual --- same as you. Which he points out in the letter you're referencing. Most everyone who knew him at the time would be highly offended that you would try to pull the "Homophobia Card" on Ed.
> Everything else in the letter was pure BS and easily debunked. For example, the "stains in the elevator" were from wet bathing suits
Actually, the details were corroborated by others, including Scott Ruggels and myself. The stains in the elevator were slimy, adhering to a person who unknowingly leaned against them.
As to Ed's report of the guy dancing in the hotel lobby in nothing but a Dixie cup, I saw that myself. You dishonor yourself by calling Ed a liar on the matter.
> "Behavioral Restrictions" don't prevent anyone from doing anything.
And laws don't prevent anyone from committing crimes. Yet, both laws and behavioral restrictions provide deterrence, as well as cause for ejection of persons from the event.
> Yes, we set out collections of furry art at our tables, some was mature in nature. You could find mature art all over Comic Con in those days.
These being the same ComiCons I also attended? No, Sy, you couldn't find anything at ComiCon which came close to the "maturity" of what was in the collections you provided...not outside of a plain brown wrapper.
Oh, one could easily find T&A pics of the X-Mens' Storm, or cheesecake shots of Ms. Marvel, and indeed that was a lot of what passed for industry art standards of the time (and does today as well). But to compare that with, say, a black anthro stallion lying on his back in the snow while jacking off?
Um, no. Talk about sugar-coating your reality.
> I know for a fact about the non-writer policy of Rowerbrazzle... I was a member. When Fred Patten took over as editor, many members were not happy with his editorial and review articles, and it took a long time before other writers were welcome (mainly due to Fred kicking down the door).
I was also a member. Oh, not at the same time as you. But Fred took over the job rather early in Rowrbrazzle's run. And I've seen issues going well back into its history, owned by people who WERE your contemporaries --- Mike-Scot McMurry, for example --- where authors were turning out almost literally reams of material.
While various members did not like having writers in 'Brazzle, and were vocal about it, that hardly amounts to an actual "artists only" policy, which is the article's claim.
> You obviously have a very personal dislike of mature-themed media
I draw fetish porn, you twit. Which I wouldn't even mention, since it isn't necessary to the conversation, EXCEPT that you just pulled the "Prude Card" on ME. Didn't you talk about doing research in another post?
> As to communication regarding ConFurence... Myself and my partner Rodney never received any mail or e-mail or telephone calls (even though our contact information was readily available) about the convention being "out of control".
Except, of course, that you just got done attacking Ed Kline as being "homophobic" for sending you exactly such a complaint.
> claiming it's "history" does not make it so.
To the contrary; ignoring history doesn't make it go away.