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Congratulations, Anonymous Poster, you got your emotional argument out of someone else and took it right down the path I thought you would. I notice you avoided the ethical debate and just waited for something like that to pop up.

You're saying straight out that eating a burger is worse than bumping uglies with a dog? And YOU think the OTHER agument is amusing???!?

But since it's the emotional argument that you love so much, I'll say this before moving on. I personally am an easygoing, see it from all sides individual who doesn't usually spend any time debating in this or any other forum. Since any view can be argued morally and emotionally I'll stay out unless the argument is so morally bankrupt and universally reviled socially that the only people left defending the argument that don't actively practice it are trolls, philosophy students taking another point to its extreme, lawyers (who are required to argue both sides of anything) and those who really, REALLY wish they could but don't have the guts.

You don't sound like a lawyer or a philosophy student. If you're a troll, I hope someone takes you seriously enough that you get investigated for actually practicing this, it might cure you of the habit; but you don't seem to be a troll either.

And when I mean so universally reviled and morally bankrupt that no one but those I mentioned go there, there are so few things that meet that criteria. Murder for thrills, peeing on public toilet seats, raping animals; there may be one or two more, but it's a short list. The big difference in these debates is that those who do the other things have guts enough not to fool themselves or anyone else. Their whole argument is "catch me if you can". They know that their self-justification is never going to be shared. They don't make an argument as preposterous as "there is 'bad' raping animals and 'good' raping animals" like this crowd.

So, I'm never going to convince you. Fine, I'm done and I'm going for a walk... in the sun and fresh air. If you continue to defend this; you may call out all you want for understanding, you may try to get some sympathy for your pathetic existence from those who have been unjustly forced out of the mainstream, but ultimately you cannot safely crawl out from under your rock until you let go of "your precious". Goodbye.

-Bluesman

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